Danny Boyle has left Bond25 over 'creative differences'

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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,814MI6 Agent
    I think we are more in agreement now. :)
    I'm one of many who wants to see the Garden of Death in a movie.
    I would also like to see a version of the brainwashed 00-agent who trives to kill M at the start of LALD.
    But I want one of the other 00-agents to be brainwashed and Bond to save him in the PTS. Now that M is Ex-SAS and Moneypenny was an agent the fight in M's office could be even better.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,814MI6 Agent
    In my opinion there are two things we should get to know within a few weeks:


    - Who is the new director?

    - What script will be used?
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,671MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    In my opinion there are two things we should get to know within a few weeks:


    - Who is the new director?

    - What script will be used?

    Historically, it is not without precedent that Bond films borrowed unused material from previous script drafts, other submitted scripts and of course unused material from Fleming. It would not surprise me if this was the case with Bond 25. I have a feeling that if EON
    liked Boyle's basic idea and Hodge's draft that much to begin with they more than likely will use it as the basis for Bond 25. It could turn out for the best....maybe. Let's assume that Boyle's idea and Hodge's script were fresh and original with a nice dose of Fleming (based upon Boyle's professed love of the novels) but lacking in the action that today's cinematic Bond requires. If EON can punch up the action without straying too far from Hodge/Boyle and get the right director on board we might have the potential for another CR or Skyfall quality film.
  • Gala BrandGala Brand Posts: 1,166MI6 Agent
    P&W are good at scripting action scenes. A Hodge and Boyle script augmented with P&W action scenes could be a winner. Or it could be a Frankenstein's monster of mis-matched components as Specter was.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,814MI6 Agent
    MI6community's Bond25 production diary thread is closed. Is this a bad sign? :))
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,706MI6 Agent
    First sign of the apocalypse ? :))
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,814MI6 Agent
    Possibly. It could be a really good sign or really bad sign for Bond25. It's definately not a an average sign....
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Posts: 267MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Possibly. It could be a really good sign or really bad sign for Bond25. It's definately not a an average sign....

    Things got out of hand, it will be back in a few days.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,814MI6 Agent
    Shouldn't think there was enough Bond25 news to do that?
    That's the difference between the two forums - things NEVER get out of hand here ;)
  • ChriscoopChriscoop Belize Posts: 10,449MI6 Agent
    It was either that.....or the priesthood
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Posts: 267MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Shouldn't think there was enough Bond25 news to do that?
    That's the difference between the two forums - things NEVER get out of hand here ;)

    It was the lack of.
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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,814MI6 Agent
    Chriscoop wrote:

    The Craig is back-thread has a link to the original The Local article, but for some reason there was little discussion. A Russian or an Arab villain seem to be over-used, but a Russian doesn't have to be an extreme nationalist or secret agent and an Arab doesn't have to be a jihadist. I don't think Hodge went in such an obvious direction.
  • Quentin QuigleyQuentin Quigley Terminal One, Hamburg AirportPosts: 1,054MI6 Agent
    The thread got closed because of a few clowns spouting their nonsensical opinions, not because of lack of news, or the state of production. And, of course, as soon as it closed, the above discussion-worthy news came in...
    Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,814MI6 Agent
    My comments about MI6community were ment to be a little bit funny. I think what Said Taghmaui said was very interesting and worthy of some discussion even if he doesn't get cast.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,706MI6 Agent
    "clowns spouting their nonsensical opinions " :)) one of the
    Reasons, I no longer even visit the MI6 Forum. Too many
    Clowns who know everything.
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Quentin QuigleyQuentin Quigley Terminal One, Hamburg AirportPosts: 1,054MI6 Agent
    TP, sorry to see you leave. I enjoyed your contributions there. (member 'QBranch' here).
    Number24 wrote:
    I think what Said Taghmaui said was very interesting and worthy of some discussion even if he doesn't get cast.
    Agreed, it's quite interesting news, even if I haven't seen the actor's work. Surprised there wasn't more discussion about it on the forums. Which way do they go? Russian or Middle Eastern? They could always pull a TLD, and have both. I'm excited for any of those outcomes, but most of all, I'd love a return to the Cold War-style Bond film again.
    Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
  • SomeoneSomeone Posts: 1,357MI6 Agent
    Red_Snow wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    Possibly. It could be a really good sign or really bad sign for Bond25. It's definately not a an average sign....

    Things got out of hand, it will be back in a few days.

    In what way?
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,814MI6 Agent
    The casting call from when Boyle was still the director was for a Russian villan. Later he must have changed it to be an Arab character and cast Said Taghmaui. Now EON are uncertain if they want to stay with Taghmaui or change the character back to being a Russian, possibly played by Polish Thomasz Kot or an actor from Finland.
    Does that sound reasonable?
  • MarkOOMarkMarkOOMark Posts: 91MI6 Agent
    Too many
    Clowns who know everything.

    Unlike here, which is clowns who know nothing :))

    Joking of course :D I've never been to the 'other place' .... As for any info, I take everything with a large pinch of salt (hence, my high blood pressure) and await some solid news from the horses mouth..... soon please!
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy Behind you !Posts: 63,706MI6 Agent
    Agreed -{ this no news thing is terrible. :#
    "I've been informed that there ARE a couple of QAnon supporters who are fairly regular posters in AJB."
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,814MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    The casting call from when Boyle was still the director was for a Russian villan. Later he must have changed it to be an Arab character and cast Said Taghmaui. Now EON are uncertain if they want to stay with Taghmaui or change the character back to being a Russian, possibly played by Polish Thomasz Kot or an actor from Finland.
    Does that sound reasonable?

    Not worth talking about? (he said self-pityingly)
  • HowardBHowardB USAPosts: 2,671MI6 Agent
    Number24 wrote:
    Number24 wrote:
    The casting call from when Boyle was still the director was for a Russian villan. Later he must have changed it to be an Arab character and cast Said Taghmaui. Now EON are uncertain if they want to stay with Taghmaui or change the character back to being a Russian, possibly played by Polish Thomasz Kot or an actor from Finland.
    Does that sound reasonable?

    Not worth talking about? (he said self-pityingly)

    I think that the big questions on everyone's minds right now is who the director is going to be, will the release date be delayed, and is the Hodge script w/ rewrites the script? Once EON officially makes an announcement I think there will be much more interest regarding casting, etc and what the plot is.
  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,814MI6 Agent
    I still think this is interesting. If they og for an Arab villan, will the female Russian character change nationality too? Getting an Arab woman to play a Bond girl might be difficult, even though Lebanon and Saudi Arabia offer very different work conditions for actresses.
  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 3,388MI6 Agent
    edited May 11

    I saw an article today where Danny Boyle discusses some of his ideas for his version of Bond25, including a couple that sound like they got used anyway

    Danny Boyle Details Scrapped Soviet James Bond Plot, Wants Paapa Essiedu or Robert Pattinson as 007

    IndieWire, Samantha Bergeson may 10 2022

    and since that website is full of slowloading junk, here's the text

    Boyle said producers "just lost confidence" in his vision for Bond 25, set in present-day Russia and digging into 007's origins.

    Danny Boyle has “No Time” for franchises following his exit from the 25th James Bond film that eventually became “No Time to Die.”

    The director signed on for the project in 201 8 alongside longtime screenwriting partner John Hodge.

    “I remember thinking, ‘Should I really get involved in franchises?’ Because they don’t really want something different,” Boyle told Esquire UK. “They want you to freshen it up a bit, but not really challenge it, and we wanted to do something different with it.”

    Boyle later stepped away from the film, with rumors that producer Barbara Broccoli’s Eon Productions did not approve of Boyle’s alleged conclusion to kill off Bond, played by Daniel Craig. However, after Cary Fukunaga helmed the 2021 feature, Bond met the same demise.

    Now, Boyle is detailing what his original plot entailed.

    “Weirdly — it would have been very topical now — it was all set in Russia, which is of course where Bond came from, out of the Cold War,” the “Pistols” director explained. “It was set in present-day Russia and went back to his origins, and they just lost, what’s the word… they just lost confidence in it. It was a shame really.”

    After watching “No Time to Die,” Boyle praised the use of screenwriter Hodge’s “wonderful” idea to incorporate Bond’s child. But Boyle sees no personal future in the franchise, saying, “I don’t think so,” as to whether he’d entertain helming the next iteration.

    Still, Boyle pitched his casting choices for Bond, citing “I May Destroy You” breakout Paapa Essiedu or Robert Pattinson, noting “The Batman” actor “would be a great Bond.” Producers have also noted that Idris Elba, Tom Hardy, Henry Cavill, and Jacob Elordi are being considered for the role.

    Bond production designer Mark Tildesley previously told Total Film that Boyle’s scrapped script was “extraordinary” and that while certain plot aspects weren’t entirely cohesive yet, Boyle should be in the mix for future Bond projects.

    “Unfortunately Danny’s crazy, madcap ideas didn’t quite tie up with what [producers] Barbara [Broccoli] and Michael [De Luca] had planned,” Tildesley said. “It was definitely a good thing to do. Maybe another time though. I’m revving Barbara up to have another go with Danny. [He had] some extraordinary ideas, they just needed a little pulling together.”

    Boyle, however, stands by his decision to not be involved in famed franchises, telling Metro at the time that the cursed production was the biggest turn-off to blockbusters.

    “I learned my lesson that I am not cut out [for franchises], otherwise you’re digging in the same hole,” Boyle said. “I am better not quite in the mainstream franchise movies, is the honest answer. I learned quite a lot about myself with Bond, I work in partnership with writers and I am not prepared to break it up.”

  • BarbelBarbel ScotlandPosts: 33,220Chief of Staff

    Thanks for that, caractacus, but- Michael De Luca? Ms Bergeson has got her wires crossed somewhere.

  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,814MI6 Agent

    This is very interesting. I suspected Boyle left because he didn't want the ending of NTTD Craig wanted, but it looks like I was wrong.

    The topic of the script makes "torn from the headlines" today, but filming in Russia won't be possible in a long time. I wonder if elements of the script will end up in future movies?

  • Royale-les-EauxRoyale-les-Eaux LondonPosts: 647MI6 Agent

    A second origin story within a 5 film cycle with one actor? It is a shame to learn Mr Boyle's 'grand', 'madcap' idea' was so ill-conceived, generic and generally terrible. he's deluding himself over franchises being the issue.

    I want to like him because he has done some great work but his treatment of Ewan McGregor, his treatment of John Lydon over the Sex Pistols series and these revelations...a director of diminishing returns.

  • caractacus pottscaractacus potts Orbital communicator, level 10Posts: 3,388MI6 Agent

    yes I noticed that too. I had to google Michael Del Luca ... apparently a bigwig in MGM ... would he have anything to do with Bond25 behind the scenes? but we all know who the Michael is in the quote, and this author obviously does not.

    I also notice the author is paraphrasing from an interview Boyle gave to Esquire UK, and the wrong Michael quote is coming from an article with Mark Tildesley in Total Film. It seems to be recycled journalism. I didnt have time to track down the original interviews, but thought we'd want to see this because we've speculated in the past why Boyle left and this is the first time I'd seen him commenting on it or giving any hints what his version of the film might have been. If somebody else wants to dig deeper and find the Esquire UK and Total film interviews thatd be swell, theres hopefully more detailed and accurate info.

  • Napoleon PluralNapoleon Plural LondonPosts: 9,651MI6 Agent

    I read this on Bond Twitter but it makes no sense to me. Things were at a very advanced stage when Boyle quit, they were into casting weren't they? How come only then did they figure his ideas wouldn't work?

    And how did they get the cast together for the script they did go for, with Madeleine Swann - how did they know the actress would even be available assuming she wasn't in Boyle's treatment? And if she had been, how could they take it as read she go with the new script presented?

    It's possible another MGM bigwig suddenly stuck his oar in and vetoed it but I don't know.

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  • Number24Number24 NorwayPosts: 19,814MI6 Agent
    edited May 11


    I could be wrong, but I don't get the feeling the Boyle/Hodges script was an origin story. To me "set in present-day Russia and digging into 007's origins" means making a story in present day Russia in a cold war style and context that reminds us of the origins of the series. Am I barking up the wrong tree or does anyone agree with me?

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